#Frihost Viewing logs for 30th November 2008

[00:00:04] <GhostRider103> You should ask him why he chooses Mac over PC.

[00:00:10] <Rvec> he has his own studio and has 3 mac pcs one mac server, an ipod and an iphone

[00:00:20] <Rvec> video editing

[00:00:34] <GhostRider103> lol

[00:00:43] <Rvec> he also makes hd videos and that's much better on a mac

[00:01:40] <Rvec> http://www.raspberry-animation.com/

[00:01:43] <GhostRider103> Yeah, I don't do any video editing, but I do do some 3D animation, but I am still only intermediate on that part of the design field, so I don't do any business work with that.

[00:02:04] <GhostRider103> Is this his website?

[00:02:10] <Rvec> yeah

[00:02:17] <Rvec> they want a new one though

[00:02:39] <GhostRider103> Can't he make his own website?

[00:02:47] <Rvec> but you can see he did win some prices and nominations for movies

[00:02:55] <Rvec> nah he can't do html/css

[00:03:13] <GhostRider103> But I mean can't he design his own website?

[00:03:21] <Rvec> I did the html/css/php for the website and he did the images/pick the colours

[00:03:26] <Rvec> yeah he can

[00:03:38] <GhostRider103> Oh so you coded this website for him?

[00:03:43] <Rvec> not this one

[00:03:49] <Rvec> http://www.griponservice.nl

[00:03:56] <Rvec> my company's website

[00:04:06] <Rvec> the company I am working, not mine

[00:04:09] <GhostRider103> You did the coding for this one?

[00:04:12] <Rvec> yeah

[00:04:16] <GhostRider103> Nice

[00:04:25] <GhostRider103> Well I'd read it, but I can't :P

[00:04:27] <Rvec> also made some of the images in photoshop

[00:04:40] <Rvec> he did the banner and the images to the right

[00:05:29] <Rvec> the banner still needs some work to not make it loop

[00:05:36] <Rvec> only the background has to loop

[00:06:06] <GhostRider103> That's cool.

[00:06:42] <Rvec> the designer also had a custommer who wanted a website, and now he asked my company if they wanted to let me help him

[00:07:17] <Rvec> was really cool to hear that from my boss :)

[00:08:04] <GhostRider103> That's cool. So you work for a company that is kind of like KNR, but much larger?

[00:08:29] <Rvec> I work for a company with 25 people

[00:09:07] <Rvec> 2 php, 6+delphi 2+ administration rest is hardware

[00:09:17] <GhostRider103> Right, but the company does the same thing KNR does, it's just on a much larger business scale than KNR, lol.

[00:09:35] <Rvec> we have no designers in the company though

[00:10:05] <Rvec> that's why the design of most websites sucks

[00:10:35] <GhostRider103> Yeah, the companys website is a little 1990's looking, except for the animation at the top, lol

[00:10:48] <Rvec> well the current website isn't that bad

[00:11:12] <GhostRider103> It's clean and simple, it just needs somehting to bring the thing alive.

[00:11:16] <Rvec> I actually think it's a really good design for the company

[00:11:37] <GhostRider103> Don't you think it's missing something though? It just seems really plain.

[00:11:38] <Rvec> yeah maybe, but the clean and static might also look professional

[00:11:52] <GhostRider103> I like the layout and all, theres just something missing.

[00:12:00] <GhostRider103> Like one more color.

[00:12:01] <GhostRider103> lol\

[00:12:02] <Rvec> images

[00:12:12] <Rvec> yeah the frontpage has no images

[00:12:18] <GhostRider103> Yeah that's it.

[00:12:30] <Rvec> http://www.griponservice.nl/contact/info

[00:12:34] <Rvec> that's the contact info page

[00:12:44] <Rvec> I think that one is the best page of all

[00:12:45] <GhostRider103> Much better

[00:13:10] <GhostRider103> Where you work, do people speak English?

[00:13:15] <Rvec> dutch

[00:13:45] <Rvec> everyone does know english, but it's a small dutch company, so we speak dutch

[00:13:52] <GhostRider103> If where you live everyone speaks Dutch, how are you so good in English?

[00:14:11] <Rvec> all dutch know english

[00:14:26] <GhostRider103> I see.

[00:14:32] <Rvec> and I have spend quite some time in this chat and on english forums

[00:14:39] <GhostRider103> haha yeah

[00:14:45] <Rvec> and watched a lot of movies without subtitles

[00:14:52] <GhostRider103> Well don't most people from India know English?

[00:15:02] <Rvec> tidrug does :P

[00:15:14] <GhostRider103> Every time I get a client from India, which is quite often, I have the hardest time communicating with them.

[00:15:31] <GhostRider103> They just don't ever understand me, and I never understand them, even though they know English.

[00:15:36] <GhostRider103> It's so frustrating.

[00:16:02] <Rvec> yeah

[00:16:06] <Rvec> or chinese :P

[00:16:32] <GhostRider103> The guy who is having me do 35 websites for him is Chinese I think

[00:16:34] <Rvec> they sometimes post on frihost in real bad english

[00:16:44] <Rvec> nice

[00:16:53] <GhostRider103> He's not too bad, but I think that's because he's leaving most of the stuff up to me.

[00:17:02] <Rvec> :P

[00:17:10] <GhostRider103> The people who are really picky don't know how to say what they want, rofl.

[00:17:22] <Rvec> :P

[00:17:56] <Rvec> http://www.griponservice.nl/login <-- login with yaron/yaron

[00:18:15] <Rvec> you'll see the old site

[00:18:35] <Rvec> don't click on anything cause you'll have admin access

[00:18:49] <GhostRider103> I wont

[00:18:54] <GhostRider103> The new one is definiately better.

[00:19:18] <Rvec> notice it works with frames and 15kb of javascript

[00:19:44] <GhostRider103> yeah lol

[00:20:08] <GhostRider103> It's not that bad, the tool in the header is just kinda bad.

[00:20:50] <Rvec> google couldn't read anything :P

[00:20:58] <Rvec> because of the javascript and the frames

[00:21:03] <GhostRider103> Oh lol

[00:21:45] <Rvec> and the text is full of un-understandable gibberish about a small part of the products the company offers

[00:21:54] <Rvec> I don't even understand half of it

[00:22:39] <GhostRider103> haha

[00:28:06] <GhostRider103> I joined a small Game Developement team as a concept artist, because I thought it might be something I would possibly be interested in.

[00:28:20] <GhostRider103> So I have to create a pirate from scratch now, haha.

[01:03:42] <Socks_Mahoney> Rvec, still here?

[01:44:50] <Socks_Mahoney> come on, rvec

[01:49:44] <Rvec> lol

[01:54:21] <Socks_Mahoney> sweet

[01:54:27] <Socks_Mahoney> What's wrong with the forums?

[01:54:47] <Rvec> they are badly coded

[01:55:04] <Rvec> and just moving the forums doesn't work, I have to reinstall them to get them to work again

[01:55:14] <Rvec> I searched their forum

[01:55:15] <Socks_Mahoney> Ok, and how is this going to be fixed and will all the forum information, such as accounts, posts, and threads still be in tact?

[01:55:41] <Rvec> yeah I'll backup that and put it back once I got the forums installed again

[01:55:51] <Socks_Mahoney> ok, and how long is that going to take?

[01:55:52] <Rvec> the database is still intact

[01:55:57] <Socks_Mahoney> That's good.

[01:56:01] <Rvec> not sure, depends on how much time I have

[01:56:09] <Rvec> I think I'd need an hour or so

[01:56:14] <Socks_Mahoney> Alright.

[01:56:27] <Socks_Mahoney> The thing is that I can't access the admin on my site without my forum account.

[01:56:28] <Rvec> I think I should be able to get it done within a week

[01:56:38] <Socks_Mahoney> And, for some reason, I can't log in with it.

[01:57:23] <Rvec> the user scott just got admin access to the frontpage

[01:57:32] <Socks_Mahoney> you just did that?

[01:57:37] <Rvec> yeah

[01:57:39] <Socks_Mahoney> sweet

[01:57:42] <Socks_Mahoney> thanks

[01:57:46] <Rvec> np

[01:58:23] <Rvec> I'll backup the forum database and remove the files now, I'll install a new version later

[01:58:56] <Socks_Mahoney> So people can log in with their forum accounts?

[01:59:29] <Rvec> uhh, will check

[02:00:00] <Rvec> nah only the frontpage accounts will work now

[02:00:19] <Socks_Mahoney> ok

[02:00:59] <Rvec> whow that forum software is really bad, I'll also look if it's easy to transfer to some other software

[02:01:41] <Socks_Mahoney> heh

[02:01:48] <Socks_Mahoney> so, what kind are you gonna go with?

[02:01:57] <Socks_Mahoney> I mean, I know it was outdated

[02:02:05] <Socks_Mahoney> but it was still pretty fun to use

[02:02:19] <Rvec> well the admin interfase sucks

[02:02:26] <Rvec> and the script is even worse

[02:02:38] <Rvec> if possible I'd like phpBB3

[02:03:07] <Socks_Mahoney> apparently, the uploads directory is also having problems. What's that all about?

[02:03:40] <Rvec> that's the permission thing

[02:03:44] <Rvec> what was the error?

[02:03:59] <Socks_Mahoney> I'm not sure

[02:04:01] <Socks_Mahoney> hold on

[02:04:04] <Socks_Mahoney> Well

[02:04:17] <Socks_Mahoney> It just says it's having problems from the front page admin.

[02:04:44] <Socks_Mahoney> I don't know what error it is

[02:05:06] <Rvec> I think it's gone now

[02:05:13] <Rvec> yeah

[02:05:26] <Socks_Mahoney> oh that is just awful.

[02:05:32] <Socks_Mahoney> Do you have that backed up?

[02:05:41] <Rvec> the error is gone :P

[02:05:44] <Rvec> not the site

[02:05:52] <Socks_Mahoney> oh

[02:05:53] <Socks_Mahoney> ok

[02:05:54] <Socks_Mahoney> thanks

[02:06:03] <Socks_Mahoney> I thought you meant the uploads section altogether.

[02:06:39] <GhostRider103> What fourms are we talking about?

[02:06:52] <Socks_Mahoney> It still says it's not writable.

[02:06:58] <Rvec> www.bierkip.nl/rcs <-- forums of that site

[02:07:13] <Rvec> what directory isn't?

[02:07:30] <Socks_Mahoney> I don't know what shit is going on!

[02:07:34] <Socks_Mahoney> I'm not good at this!

[02:07:34] <GhostRider103> O

[02:07:57] <Socks_Mahoney> I just know that it won't let me edit user settings because of it.

[02:08:19] <Rvec> ah I get it

[02:09:25] <Socks_Mahoney> So, what's the issue?

[02:09:37] <Rvec> hmm don't know

[02:09:44] <Rvec> I thought I knew, but it wasn't that

[02:10:01] <Socks_Mahoney> Well then we are in quite the pickle.

[02:10:17] <Rvec> does it work now?

[02:10:50] <Socks_Mahoney> let me check

[02:11:09] <Socks_Mahoney> yup, everything looks in order.

[02:11:17] <Rvec> :)

[02:11:25] <Rvec> was a permission problem

[02:11:30] <Socks_Mahoney> ah, ok

[02:11:36] <Rvec> the avatar upload dir

[02:12:03] <Socks_Mahoney> got it

[02:12:05] <Rvec> I did set the permissions on the upload dir, but forgot to edit them in the dirs in it

[02:12:38] <Socks_Mahoney> Alrighty

[02:13:39] <Rvec> I removed the forums and put a small notice there

[02:14:19] <Socks_Mahoney> works for me!

[02:16:38] <Rvec> hmm I think I can make phpBB3 work with drupal, only need a way to use the same users and posts in there

[02:20:28] <Socks_Mahoney> Do what you gotta do, but I liked the drupal forum, layout with. Managing it was something else, though.

[16:48:38] <Tonickyle> hey

[16:48:44] <Rvec> hey

[16:48:49] <Rvec> to both of you

[16:49:05] <This-Alex> hey guys

[16:49:28] <Tonickyle> You know, when I bought this laptop that had Vista on it, I never had one problem.

[16:49:36] <Tonickyle> Now that I have reinstalled it, I hate it.

[16:50:04] <Rvec> :P

[16:50:35] <Tonickyle> Now it doesn't even run MSN Messenger correctly.

[16:50:48] <This-Alex> What make is it?

[16:51:00] <Tonickyle> Th computer?

[16:51:05] <This-Alex> yah

[16:51:07] <Tonickyle> Acer

[16:52:39] <Tonickyle> This thing used to run so smooth when I very first got it, and then when I got my other computer running, I reinstalled this one because I let my dad take it to Vegas for some stock trading stuff.

[16:53:38] <This-Alex> :-/

[16:54:31] <Rvec> alex: I have trac+svn installed on my server and working

[16:54:57] <Tonickyle> For MSN to start on Vista, you have to run it as adminstrator.

[16:55:04] <Tonickyle> Otherwise you cannot log in.

[16:55:10] <Rvec> lol

[16:56:50] <This-Alex> Rvec: Nice :)

[16:57:08] <This-Alex> Tonickyle: yay for vista security!

[16:57:18] <This-Alex> can't you disable all the security stuff?

[16:57:20] <Rvec> I want to also make my server build stats and have a nice webinterface like assembla

[16:57:45] <Rvec> so my server has to become sourceforge+assembla+oloh

[16:57:50] <Rvec> ohloh

[16:58:27] <This-Alex> lmao

[16:58:32] <Rvec> and it should be able to support closed and open source

[16:58:34] <This-Alex> Not at all ambitious :p

[16:58:39] <This-Alex> So this would be public?

[16:59:06] <Rvec> not at first, but if I can make it work as I want it I think it might

[16:59:28] <This-Alex> I was going to make a code forge quite a while ago :-/

[16:59:30] <Rvec> I also want to add a chat per project on an irc server running on the server

[16:59:33] <This-Alex> Had a design and everything

[16:59:37] <This-Alex> though lost interest in it

[16:59:43] <This-Alex> oooh :o

[17:00:06] <This-Alex> I've been wanting to make a php trac for a while too :p

[17:00:12] <Rvec> half is not possible for me yet, but one day... :P

[17:00:20] <This-Alex> lol

[17:00:20] <Rvec> that would be even cooler

[17:00:30] <This-Alex> It's possible

[17:00:35] <This-Alex> Just not sure how trac do it ;)

[17:00:44] <This-Alex> if trac can do it, php can do it :p

[17:00:52] <Rvec> trac also has a command line interface

[17:00:55] <Tonickyle> Oh all my security is disabeled.

[17:01:29] <This-Alex> tony: weird :s

[17:01:44] <Rvec> configuring trac actually sucks, but that might also be me

[17:01:46] <This-Alex> rvec: snazzy

[17:01:47] <Tonickyle> Even automatic updates. Because when it does this one update for Vista, it deletes one of my start up files, and then I have to insert my windows disc to do a fix. And it's done that three times now, so everything is shut off.

[17:02:02] <Rvec> lol

[17:02:07] <This-Alex> Dare I suggest you re install vista? :p

[17:02:43] <Tonickyle> I've thought of it.

[17:02:53] <Tonickyle> But I think I am going to sell this laptop.

[17:03:07] <Rvec> hmm I wonder if it's possible to create an empty trac project instead of one which has milestones, wiki-pages and everything filled in with example stuff

[17:03:54] <This-Alex> probably

[17:03:55] <Rvec> also I need a vhost for every project I make and make a new dir for svn and for trac for every project

[17:04:22] <Rvec> how far did you get with your php version?

[17:04:38] <Rvec> if you got something I am interested

[17:05:22] <Tonickyle> http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-100761.html

[17:05:31] <Rvec> I want mysql+php instead of python+sqlite

[17:05:38] <Tonickyle> Look at his username.

[17:05:53] <This-Alex> yaron: same

[17:06:07] <This-Alex> I started it in ci, but the code became monolithic

[17:06:11] <Rvec> lol

[17:06:20] <This-Alex> Tonickyle: haha, I dare you :p

[17:06:32] <Rvec> ci might not be a good starting point for this

[17:06:47] <Rvec> it's not really like a website

[17:06:54] <Rvec> brb

[17:06:59] <Rvec> applepie :)

[17:07:11] <Tonickyle> rofl, I've had enough computer problems and I have no security right now, so I'll have to pass.

[17:07:26] <This-Alex> lol

[17:07:35] <This-Alex> Yaron: I'd start with kohana personally :p

[17:07:38] <This-Alex> <3 it now

[17:15:54] <This-Alex> No firewall? :p

[17:16:00] <This-Alex> or are you using a router?

[17:16:07] <Tonickyle> Im using a router.

[17:18:31] <This-Alex> lol

[17:29:34] <Rvec> back

[17:30:10] <Rvec> has to be really scalable if it might become big

[17:30:30] <Rvec> so there has to be an option for payment/different packages

[17:30:41] <Rvec> and monitoring

[17:30:48] <Tonickyle> What are you selling?

[17:30:54] <Rvec> distributing it over multiple servers

[17:31:10] <Rvec> development enviroment

[17:31:24] <Tonickyle> ok

[17:31:39] <Tonickyle> cool

[17:32:25] <Rvec> bugtracker+subversion+ftp+ssh+http+helpdesk-ticket-system+stats+irc-chat

[17:32:38] <Rvec> what did I forget?

[17:32:45] <Rvec> mail of course

[17:33:17] <Rvec> +milestones+roadmap

[17:33:26] <Rvec> +wiki

[17:33:35] <Tonickyle> rofl

[17:33:44] <Rvec> +forums

[17:34:06] <Rvec> +timetracking-system

[17:34:17] <Tonickyle> Is this for your tal.net server thing/

[17:34:28] <Rvec> nah this is much bigger

[17:34:36] <Tonickyle> What is this now?

[17:34:38] <Rvec> talmax.net was only an irc network

[17:35:14] <Rvec> hmm yeah we need a name for it

[17:35:25] <Tonickyle> Tonic.net

[17:35:28] <Rvec> :P

[17:35:29] <Tonickyle> :P

[17:36:36] <Tonickyle> knr.net

[17:36:41] <Rvec> could be www.devel.org.uk with a devil as the logo

[17:37:01] <Tonickyle> whats the site for?

[17:37:03] <Rvec> but I think we at least need to have a .com and a .net of the name

[17:37:08] <Rvec> developing

[17:37:19] <Tonickyle> oh yeah, you told me that :P

[17:37:22] <Rvec> like sourceforge but much more options

[17:38:06] <Tonickyle> ok

[17:39:05] <Tonickyle> devel.com and all other options are taken.

[17:39:12] <Rvec> yeah

[17:39:28] <Tonickyle> you could do E-devel.com

[17:39:42] <Rvec> :P

[17:39:56] <Tonickyle> planetdevel.com

[17:40:02] <Rvec> lol

[17:40:08] <Tonickyle> develdog.com

[17:40:25] <Tonickyle> and you could have a dog that looks like a devil as a logo.

[17:40:26] <Tonickyle> rogl

[17:40:29] <Rvec> develit whould've been nice

[17:40:40] <Tonickyle> or

[17:40:45] <Tonickyle> develslake

[17:41:16] <Tonickyle> is develit taken?

[17:41:22] <Rvec> yeah

[17:41:26] <Rvec> the .com and .net

[17:41:31] <Tonickyle> oh

[17:41:32] <Tonickyle> develme

[17:41:34] <Tonickyle> haha

[17:43:06] <Tonickyle> and it's not taken

[17:44:05] <Rvec> develblocks!

[17:44:29] <Rvec> it's still free, sounds good and the idea fits the name :)

[17:45:11] <Rvec> develbloks is also free to catch the typo

[17:45:17] <Tonickyle> perfect

[17:45:25] <Rvec> This-Alex?

[17:45:39] <Rvec> maybe that'll make his client flash :P

[17:45:56] <Rvec> nah :(

[17:46:13] <Tonickyle> What Alex?

[17:48:32] <Rvec> alex: kohana uses trac :P

[17:56:57] <Tonickyle> Rvec, is Tobias Darrenpaul on frihost?

[17:57:07] <Rvec> no

[17:57:11] <Rvec> hogwarts

[17:57:12] <Tonickyle> Are you sure?

[17:57:18] <Tonickyle> Maybe he's got two names?

[17:58:34] <Rvec> hmm doesn't seem like the same to me

[17:59:24] <Tonickyle> Oh, becaus I thought he worked on a wbsite a long time ago called EchoGames

[18:00:06] <Rvec> darren is from singapore

[18:00:38] <Rvec> hmm odd

[18:00:52] <Rvec> maybe not, but I don't think it's tobias

[18:01:01] <Tonickyle> oh

[18:01:20] <Tonickyle> You know HBP has more than one account on Frihost lol

[18:01:51] <Rvec> don't know

[18:02:07] <Rvec> don't realy care how much accounts people use

[18:02:59] <Rvec> if they have two accounts they make twice the amount of posts and are better for frihost so doesn't bother me

[18:03:45] <Tonickyle> haha

[18:03:50] <Tonickyle> he was banned though

[18:03:52] <Rvec> if the posts are bad quality or if they use the accounts to reply in there own thread it'll get noticed and they get banned

[18:04:09] <Rvec> oh, then he must've made it quite obvious

[18:04:30] <Rvec> I think it'd be rather easy to have two accounts and not get noticed

[18:04:44] <Rvec> just keep them in sepperate forums

[18:04:54] <Rvec> or always use a proxy for one

[18:05:12] <Tonickyle> No I mean he was banned on frihost before, and then made the HBP name.

[18:05:19] <Rvec> oh

[18:05:22] <Tonickyle> Hes not banned from Frihost now.

[18:06:18] <Rvec> ah yes I see he had 3 nicks

[18:06:58] <Tonickyle> http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-59360.html

[18:07:13] <Tonickyle> lmao if you read that it is hilarious.

[18:07:33] <Tonickyle> Travellers' post made me LOL

[18:07:51] <Rvec> hmm he deserved a ban there

[18:07:56] <Tonickyle> the part about him submitting a hosting request is just funny.

[18:09:05] <Rvec> Users posting from this IP

[18:09:05] <Rvec> HalfBloodPrince [ 87 Posts ]

[18:09:05] <Rvec> TheDarkLord [ 24 Posts ]

[18:09:05] <Rvec> DeathlyHallows [ 19 Posts ]

[18:09:05] <Rvec> Zubairi [ 17 Posts ]

[18:09:05] <Rvec> Zezima [ 3 Posts ]

[18:09:07] <Rvec> Guest [ 2 Posts ]

[18:10:05] <Tonickyle> :O

[18:11:29] <Rvec> hmm he is below 30 again

[18:11:41] <Rvec> if I tell this all to an admin he's a gonner

[18:11:55] <Tonickyle> rofl

[18:21:04] <Tonickyle> He made a topic and got over 100 votes on a poll haha it's great.

[18:23:31] <Tonickyle> and his post got stickied, rofl

[18:44:32] <This-Alex> back

[18:48:19] <This-Alex> Tobias' email is @echogames.net

[18:48:27] <This-Alex> you there rvec?

[18:55:58] <Tonickyle> its fun reading in the guest forum and watch people talk about them being banned.

[18:56:02] <Tonickyle> its like watching cops.

[19:03:34] <This-Alex> lol

[19:13:30] <This-Alex> You there yaron?

[19:26:56] <Tonickyle> Yaron is busy banning people.

[19:27:15] <This-Alex> lol

[19:27:23] <This-Alex> bless his cotton socks :p

[19:28:02] <Tonickyle> rofl

[19:34:45] <Rvec> back

[19:35:40] <Tonickyle> wb, feet hurt yet? jk :P

[19:36:11] <Rvec> my last fm isn't working :(

[19:36:27] <Rvec> last.fm is temporarily overloaded

[19:36:46] <This-Alex> aww :(

[19:37:00] <Rvec> dutch radio station

[19:37:45] <Rvec> hmm radio always sucks on sunday-night :\

[19:38:05] <This-Alex> :p

[19:38:11] <This-Alex> Just dutch radio ;)

[19:38:38] <Rvec> nobody listens on sunday night so that's when they play the 'new talent' djs

[19:39:22] <Rvec> best times to listen are 7-10 in the morning and 4-7 in the evening

[19:39:39] <Rvec> that's whn most people listen and the best djs are playing

[19:39:50] <This-Alex> I don't listen to the radio anymore

[19:39:54] <This-Alex> too many ads or idiots

[19:39:59] <Rvec> I do in the car

[19:40:00] <This-Alex> or idiotic music

[19:40:09] <Rvec> I like some of the djs

[19:40:12] <This-Alex> yeah

[19:40:13] <This-Alex> some are ok

[19:40:30] <This-Alex> but my loacl radio station have ads every 2-3 songs -_-

[19:40:35] <Rvec> :P

[19:40:47] <Rvec> 3fm only has them before and after the news

[19:40:57] <Rvec> every half hour

[19:41:28] <This-Alex> :(

[19:41:34] <Rvec> about 3 ads on every half past n and about 6 every full hour

[19:49:12] <Tonickyle> I hate ads on radio stations

[19:49:18] <Tonickyle> Seems like there is more ads than songs.

[19:49:31] <Tonickyle> And the ads they play are like 10min long before another song starts.

[19:49:41] <Tonickyle> Which is why illegal downloading of songs are on the rise.

[19:49:44] <This-Alex> Exactly!

[19:49:44] <Tonickyle> haha jk

[19:49:54] <This-Alex> Well about the 10 minutes ads :p

[19:49:59] <Tonickyle> haha yeah

[19:50:14] <Tonickyle> But I dont listen to the radio anymore because of it.

[19:50:55] <Rvec> alex: http://supermind.nl/submin/

[19:51:08] <Rvec> that sounds nice :)

[19:52:46] <This-Alex> cool

[19:52:50] <This-Alex> what's it coded in?

[19:53:02] <Rvec> no idea

[19:53:09] <Rvec> it's not really documented

[19:53:34] <Rvec> i found some css

[19:53:49] <Rvec> and python :(

[19:53:56] <This-Alex> :(

[19:54:53] <This-Alex> hoe come?

[19:55:30] <Tonickyle> No matter what I do, my Alexa rank never changes. And when it does, it gets closer to the one million mark, rofl.

[19:55:48] <Rvec> :P

[19:56:00] <Rvec> check bierkip.nl, that's doing pretty bad

[19:56:09] <Tonickyle> I don't understand it.

[19:56:14] <This-Alex> develblocks.com ?

[19:56:19] <Rvec> yeah

[19:56:24] <Rvec> sounded like a good name to me

[19:56:28] <This-Alex> I have ciloaded.com

[19:56:30] <Tonickyle> oh my

[19:56:31] <This-Alex> want the design?

[19:56:36] <This-Alex> looks better on my localhost :p

[19:56:43] <Tonickyle> 2million rofl

[19:56:47] <Rvec> yeah :)

[19:56:50] <Tonickyle> mines at least under a million.

[19:57:10] <Rvec> http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.bierkip.nl

[19:57:11] <Tonickyle> its at 991,xxx

[19:57:19] <Rvec> I only need someone who want to buy it :P

[19:57:22] <This-Alex> you want the design?

[19:57:28] <Rvec> yeah

[19:57:41] <This-Alex> I'll send you a localhost screenie :p

[19:57:42] <Tonickyle> lol

[19:57:47] <Rvec> kk

[19:57:59] <Tonickyle> do u not advertise it at all or what?

[19:58:05] <Rvec> not much

[19:58:15] <Rvec> I started a couple months ago

[19:58:27] <Rvec> but since there aren't much visitors ...

[19:58:47] <Tonickyle> yeah

[19:58:48] <Rvec> http://stats.bierkip.nl/usage_200811.html#TOPAGENTS

[19:59:02] <Rvec> 59% is googlebot

[19:59:25] <Rvec> all bots together are almost 75%

[19:59:25] <Tonickyle> lol

[20:00:19] <Tonickyle> How do u advertise?

[20:00:29] <Rvec> google ads

[20:00:43] <Rvec> on http://www.bierkip.nl

[20:00:44] <Tonickyle> Like PPC?

[20:00:48] <Rvec> yeah

[20:00:59] <Rvec> I got about 2$ :P

[20:01:13] <Tonickyle> a month?

[20:01:14] <Tonickyle> or a day?

[20:01:21] <Rvec> couple of months

[20:01:24] <Tonickyle> rofl

[20:01:31] <Rvec> :D

[20:01:37] <Rvec> another 0,01$

[20:01:48] <Tonickyle> rofl

[20:01:49] <Tonickyle> :P

[20:02:13] <Rvec> nah I need more visitors before spending time on ads is worth it

[20:02:23] <Tonickyle> yeah

[20:02:31] <This-Alex> http://www.sigswitch.com/extras/2008-11-15_0112.png

[20:02:39] <Rvec> nice

[20:02:46] <This-Alex> thanks

[20:02:51] <This-Alex> slightly trac based ;)

[20:03:01] <Rvec> are the icons made for that or are they stolen?

[20:03:14] <This-Alex> famfamfam

[20:04:10] <This-Alex> http://www.sigswitch.com/extras/2008-11-30_1903.png

[20:04:26] <Tonickyle> I've paid to put ads on Google, so my website has been on the sponsored ads when u search like "Design" and stuff on google. I found out it was sponsored on MSN and Yahoo as well. It worked pretty good, but I don't have it turned on right now.

[20:05:19] <Rvec> I don't earn anything with my site, so never wanted to spend money on it

[20:05:31] <Rvec> exept for the domain name of course

[20:05:36] <Tonickyle> yeah

[20:05:43] <Rvec> alex: I like it

[20:06:22] <Tonickyle> The peel at the top right almost looks burnt by the fire.

[20:06:37] <Tonickyle> I think you should work on a more burnt looking effect, like it was actually just burnt.

[20:06:41] <Tonickyle> that would look awesome.

[20:07:00] <Rvec> well I have to replace that

[20:07:10] <Rvec> can't use the codeigniter logo

[20:07:20] <Tonickyle> oh

[20:07:28] <Rvec> but a small devil there would be nice

[20:07:35] <Tonickyle> well u could still do something with a flame. Like the devil could have his head on fire.

[20:07:43] <Rvec> yeah

[20:08:10] <Tonickyle> Alex, are you running on Military time? lol

[20:08:12] <Rvec> but it has to be build from scratch or with free stuff

[20:08:27] <This-Alex> Tonickyle: ?

[20:08:31] <Tonickyle> Well ofcourse

[20:08:37] <This-Alex> It's built from scratch

[20:08:41] <Tonickyle> Youe time says 19"03

[20:08:45] <This-Alex> lmao

[20:08:48] <Tonickyle> hes talking about the logo.

[20:08:53] <This-Alex> it's just the program :p

[20:09:01] <This-Alex> oh yeah the logo would have to be new

[20:09:10] <Tonickyle> Oh rofl.

[20:09:22] <Tonickyle> Thats what were talking about, the logo needs to be built from scratch.

[20:09:31] <Rvec> anyhow, looks like a nice project I could spend some years on

[20:09:42] <Tonickyle> lol

[20:15:36] <Rvec> hmm 3xdomain name +vps=140$/year

[20:16:07] <Rvec> about 12*1$/month

[20:16:28] <Rvec> so if I can get 12 people interested I could at least get even

[20:20:45] <Tonickyle> According to websiteoutlook, yahoo.com is worth $1.1Billion more than google.com

[20:28:57] <Tonickyle> brb

[20:38:35] <Rvec> I made an svn repo, now going to make a simple php class to read and edit the password file

[20:38:57] <Rvec> then I can make a frontend to manage users webbased

[20:44:29] <This-Alex> http://pear.php.net/package/File_Passwd

[20:44:55] <Rvec> hmm I should make a hook to export the repo to the webdir on every change

[20:45:13] <This-Alex> Is that how trac does it?

[20:45:21] <This-Alex> oh wait

[20:45:26] <This-Alex> is this repo for the site?

[20:45:27] <Rvec> trac doesn't export

[20:45:47] <Rvec> I have set up an svn repo that has to become the site

[20:48:28] <This-Alex> ok

[20:48:42] <This-Alex> Can I be involved, and can we use kohana + trac? :)

[20:48:53] <Rvec> not trac

[20:49:02] <Rvec> I don't like trac

[20:49:10] <Rvec> but sure you can be involved

[20:49:10] <This-Alex> what about it dont you like?

[20:49:19] <This-Alex> and kohan?

[20:49:23] <This-Alex> *kohana

[20:49:27] <Rvec> didn't try that yet

[20:49:42] <This-Alex> good time to learn then :p

[20:50:08] <Rvec> want to have the svn side set up first and a simple account management system so I don't have to edit the password file manually

[20:50:30] <Rvec> maybe not the management system

[20:50:43] <Rvec> but at least the svn with the hook to export on each commit

[20:53:00] <This-Alex> ok

[21:04:00] <Rvec> :D

[21:04:03] <Rvec> got it working

[21:04:07] <This-Alex> yays :D

[21:04:11] <Rvec> hooks are easier than I though

[21:04:25] <This-Alex> I haven't been able to get svn hooks to work before :-/

[21:04:29] <Rvec> just batch commands in a file called post-commit and you're done :)

[21:04:55] <Rvec> svn export -r HEAD svn://localhost/svn/develblocks /var/www/develblocks --username Yaron --password **** --force

[21:05:24] <Rvec> I put that in a file called post-commit in the dir hooks and it works :)

[21:05:44] <This-Alex> I was doing something like svn export /home/svn/repo /var/www

[21:06:00] <Rvec> that should also work

[21:06:12] <This-Alex> yeah, but it doesn't :-/

[21:06:13] <This-Alex> ah well

[21:06:19] <This-Alex> life goes on :p

[21:06:20] <Rvec> did you get an error?

[21:06:39] <Rvec> I had to chmod post-commit to make it work

[21:23:46] <Rvec> how different are kohana and ci?

[21:24:00] <Rvec> looks about the same to me

[21:24:32] <This-Alex> They are now quite different

[21:25:21] <Rvec> hmm at least it uses normal sesions

[21:26:00] <This-Alex> yes, that is a plus

[21:26:04] <This-Alex> + orm :D

[21:26:08] <This-Alex> <3 orm

[21:28:44] <Rvec> orm?

[21:28:53] <This-Alex> Object relation mapping I think

[21:29:03] <Rvec> Object Relational Mapping

[21:30:52] <Rvec> hmm looks nice

[21:31:18] <This-Alex> then get kohana :)

[21:31:35] <Rvec> not all of it

[21:31:41] <This-Alex> ?

[21:31:50] <Rvec> the core shouldn't be in svn

[21:32:11] <This-Alex> the system folder needs to be in in order to use kohana....

[21:33:23] <Rvec> then we'll also have the core files public

[21:33:39] <This-Alex> ?_?

[21:33:50] <Rvec> or we have to use a webdir in svn

[21:34:04] <Rvec> the whole svn repo is exported to the webdir now

[21:34:10] <This-Alex> you mean use a trunk folder?

[21:34:28] <Rvec> and the core of a framework shouldn't be in the webroot

[21:34:37] <This-Alex> Oh I get ya

[21:34:49] <This-Alex> Well, it doesn't have to be but yeah I get what you mean now

[21:35:25] <Rvec> it's not a big problem if it is, but it makes it bigger than needed and isn't perfect for security

[21:35:49] <This-Alex> You can just put it as an svn external

[21:35:56] <This-Alex> that way it's not actually "in" the repo

[21:37:53] <This-Alex> hello?

[21:38:12] <Rvec> maybe use the branches and truck dirs

[21:38:18] <This-Alex> ok

[21:38:25] <This-Alex> shall I set that up?

[21:38:28] <Rvec> ok

[21:39:52] <Rvec> I'll change the hook to export /trunk instead of /

[21:42:33] <Rvec> brb

[21:43:06] <This-Alex> hang on

[21:43:32] <This-Alex> Id you follow the logic that the framework should be out of the root, shouldn't the application folder be out of it too?

[21:46:20] <This-Alex> hey ghost

[22:34:45] <Rvec> ehh yeah maybe

[22:35:00] <Rvec> yeah seems logical

[22:35:01] <This-Alex> :-/

[22:35:18] <Rvec> then I think we should do that

[22:35:38] <This-Alex> ok, did you say you registered develblocks?

[22:35:53] <Rvec> I'll put the index file in the webdir and the other files which are exported every time are exported to some non-webdir

[22:36:01] <Rvec> not yet

[22:36:08] <This-Alex> We could make a virtual host

[22:36:14] <This-Alex> Then put a www folder in trunk

[22:36:34] <This-Alex> And then checkit out to some dir

[22:36:43] <This-Alex> then set the web root to the dir/www

[22:37:34] <Rvec> hmm yeah, that's probably the best

[22:37:50] <Rvec> cause else you'd get problems with css and files and stuff

[22:37:58] <This-Alex> yeah

[22:38:35] <Rvec> so the webdir would be /trunk/www

[22:38:43] <This-Alex> ok, so shall I set the repo up?

[22:38:44] <This-Alex> yeah

[22:38:48] <Rvec> yeah

[22:39:41] <Tonickyle`> wtf

[22:47:27] <Rvec> http://devel.bierkip.nl/ == /trunk/www

[22:47:38] <This-Alex> kk

[22:47:52] <Rvec> everything above /trunk/ isn't exported

[22:48:15] <This-Alex> kk

[22:48:38] <Rvec> so trunk should be the most stable version available, and everything else should be in branches

[22:49:40] <Rvec> I use /svn/ProjectName for the repos

[22:50:13] <This-Alex> lmao, shouldn't it be the other way around?

[22:50:38] <Rvec> nah I want all the svn in one dir

[22:51:08] <This-Alex> I mean, trunk is bleeding edge stuff and you merge changes into a branch for the site?

[22:51:16] <This-Alex> also: http://devel.bierkip.nl/

[22:52:15] <Rvec> hmm I hope the permissions don't get overwritten each commit

[22:52:20] <This-Alex> they wont

[22:52:28] <Rvec> else I'll have to put that in the hooks file

[22:52:37] <This-Alex> I have a site which runs off an svn checkout

[22:52:47] <This-Alex> only needed to chmod the folders once

[22:54:12] <Rvec> chmod is done

[22:54:23] <This-Alex> excellent :)

[22:54:30] <Rvec> I'll start working on it tomorrow if I have time

[22:54:33] <This-Alex> ok

[22:54:38] <Rvec> we need a mindmap I think :P

[22:54:45] <This-Alex> lol ok

[22:54:53] <This-Alex> If you get the mindmap up I'll take a looksie :)

[22:55:23] <Rvec> btw have you ever seen open source webbased mindmapping software?

[22:55:34] <This-Alex> no

[22:55:36] <Rvec> I never found any free easy to setup thing for it

[22:55:53] <Rvec> and we do also need a mindmap :P

[22:56:11] <This-Alex> yah :)

[22:56:12] <Rvec> hmm I should write my ideas down

[22:56:20] <Rvec> thank god we have logs :P

[22:56:24] <This-Alex> Please could I have an ssh account for /var/devel ?

[22:56:40] <This-Alex> and why did you name it develblcoks btw?

[22:56:43] <This-Alex> just out of interest

[22:56:43] <Rvec> going to bed now, will make you an account tomorrow

[22:56:47] <This-Alex> ok, thanks

[22:56:51] <Rvec> development

[22:57:03] <This-Alex> ooooh

[22:57:09] <This-Alex> So that's what it stands for :p

[22:57:16] <Rvec> and blocks because I want people who start a project to be able to build their own environment

[22:57:33] <Rvec> and I liked devel because it sounds like devil

[22:57:59] <Rvec> cya

[22:58:25] <This-Alex> lmao

[22:58:27] <This-Alex> cya :)

[23:00:51] <Tonickyle> damn, I didn't even realize devel was the first letters of development, thats pretty good.